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		<title>By: wreck</title>
		<link>http://irshaad.net/2007/04/18/abbafather/#comment-26</link>
		<author>wreck</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Unfortunately, Muslims reject the doctrine of the Trinity, or God in three persons. 

However, Jesus is most certainly God made flesh, as St. John mentions in John 1:1 and also verse 14

1 In  the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

You should read Matthew Slcik's information on Christianity for Muslims. I think it will be eye opening for you.

http://www.carm.org/islam.htm

Thanks for the good post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, Muslims reject the doctrine of the Trinity, or God in three persons. </p>
<p>However, Jesus is most certainly God made flesh, as St. John mentions in John 1:1 and also verse 14</p>
<p>1 In  the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.</p>
<p>14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.</p>
<p>You should read Matthew Slcik&#8217;s information on Christianity for Muslims. I think it will be eye opening for you.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.carm.org/islam.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.carm.org/islam.htm</a></p>
<p>Thanks for the good post.</p>
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		<title>By: Katib</title>
		<link>http://irshaad.net/2007/04/18/abbafather/#comment-119</link>
		<author>Katib</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://irshaad.net/2007/04/18/abbafather/#comment-119</guid>
					<description>wreck said “Unfortunately, Muslims reject the doctrine of the Trinity” 

- Muslims consider such doctrine to be accidental and not essential to Jesus message; of love and peace. Muslims believe in Jesus message which should be the main focus of all disputing parties, Muslims, Christians, Jews and others. 

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

-It is important to figure out one concern here that is; who was first in existence; was it God or His Word. If we assume it is the Word of God was first in existence then this follows that “God” was caused by His word. But this is not possible for God is a Necessary Being who has no cause. Therefore there is only one other possibility left which is; God existed before His Word and He caused the existence of His word. So the Word of God is a manifestation of His actions and therefore it is added to His essence and not His essence. So God is the source of all things including His word, mercy, love, wrath, etc. so if we say “In the beginning was the Word” this dose not mean that the Word is God Himself rather it means that the “Word was with God” or related to His actions, as the same verse indicate. And if we say “and the Word was God” it dose not mean that the Word is the essence of God, for it is refuted by the second part of this verse “and the Word was with God” where clearly says that the Word was with God which means if something is with something else, then that something can not be itself; it means there are two separate entities; the Word and God in this case. Hence the Word of God is different from the essence of God. We can easily conclude that “Jesus” is another manifestation of the “Word of God”

This is only an opinion which is not meant to demean our Christian brothers rather it is only within the rights of our intellect to understand these concepts. In fact Irshaad's post was very dignifying in content to Jesus more than many writings, about Jesus, offered by Christians today.

For further interest I will be posting the full version of this opinion regarding the “Father of Jesus from an Islamic perspective”

Thanks 
Katib
alislam@sympatico.ca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wreck said “Unfortunately, Muslims reject the doctrine of the Trinity” </p>
<p>- Muslims consider such doctrine to be accidental and not essential to Jesus message; of love and peace. Muslims believe in Jesus message which should be the main focus of all disputing parties, Muslims, Christians, Jews and others. </p>
<p>“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”</p>
<p>-It is important to figure out one concern here that is; who was first in existence; was it God or His Word. If we assume it is the Word of God was first in existence then this follows that “God” was caused by His word. But this is not possible for God is a Necessary Being who has no cause. Therefore there is only one other possibility left which is; God existed before His Word and He caused the existence of His word. So the Word of God is a manifestation of His actions and therefore it is added to His essence and not His essence. So God is the source of all things including His word, mercy, love, wrath, etc. so if we say “In the beginning was the Word” this dose not mean that the Word is God Himself rather it means that the “Word was with God” or related to His actions, as the same verse indicate. And if we say “and the Word was God” it dose not mean that the Word is the essence of God, for it is refuted by the second part of this verse “and the Word was with God” where clearly says that the Word was with God which means if something is with something else, then that something can not be itself; it means there are two separate entities; the Word and God in this case. Hence the Word of God is different from the essence of God. We can easily conclude that “Jesus” is another manifestation of the “Word of God”</p>
<p>This is only an opinion which is not meant to demean our Christian brothers rather it is only within the rights of our intellect to understand these concepts. In fact Irshaad&#8217;s post was very dignifying in content to Jesus more than many writings, about Jesus, offered by Christians today.</p>
<p>For further interest I will be posting the full version of this opinion regarding the “Father of Jesus from an Islamic perspective”</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Katib<br />
<a href="mailto:alislam@sympatico.ca">alislam@sympatico.ca</a></p>
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		<title>By: Irshaad</title>
		<link>http://irshaad.net/2007/04/18/abbafather/#comment-126</link>
		<author>Irshaad</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 02:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://irshaad.net/2007/04/18/abbafather/#comment-126</guid>
					<description>To wreck: Thanks for your comment and the link

To Katib: Thanks - I don't know that there's anything left for me to add after your very clear explanation....so I won't....

- Irshaad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To wreck: Thanks for your comment and the link</p>
<p>To Katib: Thanks - I don&#8217;t know that there&#8217;s anything left for me to add after your very clear explanation&#8230;.so I won&#8217;t&#8230;.</p>
<p>- Irshaad</p>
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		<title>By: Irshaad</title>
		<link>http://irshaad.net/2007/04/18/abbafather/#comment-944</link>
		<author>Irshaad</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://irshaad.net/2007/04/18/abbafather/#comment-944</guid>
					<description>For a very interesting elaboration of this subject and further commentary on the "&lt;a href="http://irshaad.net/2007/04/11/jesus-i-and-the-father-are-one/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Jesus: I and the father are one&lt;/a&gt;" post, see Katib's recent post: "&lt;a href="http://katib.wordpress.com/2007/05/29/who-is-jesus%e2%80%99-father/#more-142" rel="nofollow"&gt;Who is Jesus' father&lt;/a&gt;"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a very interesting elaboration of this subject and further commentary on the &#8220;<a href="http://irshaad.net/2007/04/11/jesus-i-and-the-father-are-one/" rel="nofollow">Jesus: I and the father are one</a>&#8221; post, see Katib&#8217;s recent post: &#8220;<a href="http://katib.wordpress.com/2007/05/29/who-is-jesus%e2%80%99-father/#more-142" rel="nofollow">Who is Jesus&#8217; father</a>&#8220;</p>
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